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08.05.2020 19:11 # 1
burglar08
Friends I have the 2006 model 307 1.6 HDi 110hp. Especially in sudden loads, the vehicle protects itself and does not exceed 3000dd. As a result of long researches, I found that the event was caused by a turbo electro valve. But for whatever wisdom, everyone is mixing the turboelectro valve and the egr valve. They will almost even make me believe. Is this really the same thing I am curious about? If not, where exactly is this turbo electro valve in the engine? If there is a friend who knows, I would be very glad if he could show it with a photo.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 2
eeccaa
EGR valve is on the right rear of the engine:


If you call the turboelectro valve, the number 1 part of the turbo as far as I understand:


I couldn't show it with the real photo, but as far as I can solve in Servisbox, I think these are the parts you mentioned.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 3
Canberk35
Firstly, get well soon.

There is only one piece to understand when the vehicle is called the solenoid. Egr is the piece that sends the unburned exhaust gas back to the engine. Turbo is the part that compresses this gas and provides pressure. There is an electronic valve that provides communication (more air-pressure, less air-pressure) between the two parts. The name of this is according to some of the egr valve, according to the turbo valve. There is no other solenoid valve. Her photo is at the following link:

http://www.arotomarket.com/fb,9393,95,peugeot-307-16-hdi-dizel-elektrovana.jpg

It is possible to reach under the engine by the right front wheel. The exchange is done that way. A piece that can often cause trouble. But this may not be the only reason your vehicle enters the cutter at 3000 rpm, that is, the vehicle disables the turbo. You need to read the error by connecting your vehicle to pp2000. There will probably be a turbo-related malfunction. If the fault is related to the pressure of the turbo, the solenoid valve may be problematic. Or turbo hoses may be torn-clogged-worn. Or the turbo itself may be problematic.

A piece of around 150TL if I don't remember wrong. If there is a malfunction with the turbo, it makes sense to try this part instead of replacing the turbo directly. If you change it and your master doesn't do it - I think he will do it - ask him to disassemble and check the hoses connected to this solenoid valve.

I hope the problem is the solenoid valve. The solution becomes easy. By the way, are there things like soot and oil around the turbo?
08.05.2020 19:11 # 4
madblueblacksea
[QUOTE = Canberk35] First, get past.

There is only one piece to understand when the vehicle is called the solenoid. Egr is the piece that sends the unburned exhaust gas back to the engine. Turbo is the part that compresses this gas and provides pressure. There is an electronic valve that provides communication (more air-pressure, less air-pressure) between the two parts. The name of this is according to some of the egr valve, according to the turbo valve. There is no other solenoid valve. Her photo is at the following link:

http://www.arotomarket.com/fb,9393,95,peugeot-307-16-hdi-dizel-elektrovana.jpg

It is possible to reach under the engine by the right front wheel. The exchange is done that way. A piece that can often cause trouble. But this may not be the only reason your vehicle enters the cutter at 3000 rpm, that is, the vehicle disables the turbo. You need to read the error by connecting your vehicle to pp2000. There will probably be a turbo-related malfunction. If the fault is related to the pressure of the turbo, the solenoid valve may be problematic. Or turbo hoses may be torn-clogged-worn. Or the turbo itself may be problematic.

A piece of around 150TL if I don't remember wrong. If there is a malfunction with the turbo, it makes sense to try this part instead of replacing the turbo directly. If you change it and your master doesn't do it - I think he will do it - ask him to disassemble and check the hoses connected to this solenoid valve.

I hope the problem is the solenoid valve. The solution becomes easy. By the way, are there things like soot and oil around the turbo?
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The unburned gas that EGR sends back (it does not separate the burnt because it is not burned, it actually takes exhaust gas directly) is sent to the intake manifold before entering the turbo. ECU controlled turbos are also used in the solenoid valves. There are two solenoid valves, EGR and turbo.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 5
burglar08
Thank you @canberk for the answer. Vehicle has been connected to pp too many times as a malfunction, it shows high pressure in the turbo So it confirms that this is the problem piece. @eeccaa looks like the part the friend has marked, but whoever I ask is behind the engine. I will solve this work on weekdays.

In the meantime, thanks to everyone who answered.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 6
eeccaa
[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] [QUOTE = Canberk35] First, get past.

There is only one piece to understand when the vehicle is called the solenoid. Egr is the piece that sends the unburned exhaust gas back to the engine. Turbo is the part that compresses this gas and provides pressure. There is an electronic valve that provides communication (more air-pressure, less air-pressure) between the two parts. The name of this is according to some of the egr valve, according to the turbo valve. There is no other solenoid valve. Her photo is at the following link:

http://www.arotomarket.com/fb,9393,95,peugeot-307-16-hdi-dizel-elektrovana.jpg

It is possible to reach under the engine by the right front wheel. The exchange is done that way. A piece that can often cause trouble. But this may not be the only reason your vehicle enters the cutter at 3000 rpm, that is, the vehicle disables the turbo. You need to read the error by connecting your vehicle to pp2000. There will probably be a turbo-related malfunction. If the fault is related to the pressure of the turbo, the solenoid valve may be problematic. Or turbo hoses may be torn-clogged-worn. Or the turbo itself may be problematic.

A piece of around 150TL if I don't remember wrong. If there is a malfunction with the turbo, it makes sense to try this part instead of replacing the turbo directly. If you change it and your master doesn't do it - I think he will do it - ask him to disassemble and check the hoses connected to this solenoid valve.

I hope the problem is the solenoid valve. The solution becomes easy. By the way, are there things like soot and oil around the turbo?
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The unburned gas that EGR sends back (it does not separate the burnt because it is not burned, it actually takes exhaust gas directly) is sent to the intake manifold before entering the turbo. ECU controlled turbos are also used in the solenoid valves. There are two solenoid valves, EGR and turbo.
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I couldn't figure it out, but it seemed to me that there were two valves. The piece that the friend gave the picture link is not the part that is visible in my obvious second picture, the one that is left behind (the one that is actually on the right when you open this hood and look from the front, is actually close to the left front wheel). Maybe it's a connected mechanism. Because the pipe extending from the piece on the left front wheel side also seems to connect to the piece on the right front wheel side. @ burglar08 Please let us know in three solutions. After all, we use the same vehicle and engine. Get well soon, conveniences.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 7
Canberk35
First of all, my knowledge of the technical part is rather limited. Forgive me if I gave wrong information. I tried to convey as far as I know correctly. The information may not be completely accurate. I would not recommend you to refer me. Smile

As far as I know there is a valve in egr. But I think it's called an egr valve. It's not the valve. When we search on Google as egr electrovanna, the things that come out are actually the turbo valve that I sent a photo of. I shared the electrovan that my friend was talking about. That is the piece that clearly appears in the second photo of "@eeccaa". This piece was disassembled-fitted-replaced 3-4 times in my car due to misfortune. Each time, the master changed the bottom of the engine either by lifting the vehicle on the fiber or lifting the right side with a jack. For this reason, as far as I learned from the way the master changed, I think in the lower right side of the engine.

I know that the gas that comes out of Egr helps the turbo to rotate and topple before going to the engine to burn again. This solenoid valve adjusts the air flow that will cause the turbo to roll or slow down and keeps the turbo pressure under control. (I may know it wrong. If I know it wrong, please have more knowledgeable friends correct it. Smile )

If we finally return to the problem of the friend, this is the solenoid that he is talking about. (I had the same problem, I know from there, too.) If the master is a good master, he first replaces this solenoid valve when he sees the turbo pressure error in pp2000 - this is the part that regulates the turbo pressure. I hope the problem is the solenoid valve or the simpler hoses. Unfortunately, there is a bad scenario left.

Again get well soon. Thumbs Up


Edit: When I say the right part of the engine, I mean the part on the right while sitting at the wheel. So the right front wheel part. When we open the front hood, it is on the left side from the point we are in. I think the master already knows his place, though. I don't think it's a big problem. Smile
Canberk35 2015-03-30 04:39:08
08.05.2020 19:11 # 8
madblueblacksea
[QUOTE = Canberk35] First of all, my knowledge of the technical part is rather limited. Forgive me if I gave wrong information. I tried to convey as far as I know correctly. The information may not be completely accurate. I would not recommend you to refer me. Smile

As far as I know there is a valve in egr. But I think it's called an egr valve. It's not the valve. When we search on Google as egr electrovanna, the things that come out are actually the turbo valve that I sent a photo of. I shared the electrovan that my friend was talking about. That is the piece that clearly appears in the second photo of "@eeccaa". This piece was disassembled-fitted-replaced 3-4 times in my car due to misfortune. Each time, the master changed the bottom of the engine either by lifting the vehicle on the fiber or lifting the right side with a jack. For this reason, as far as I learned from the way the master changed, I think in the lower right side of the engine.

I know that the gas that comes out of Egr helps the turbo to rotate and topple before going to the engine to burn again. This solenoid valve adjusts the air flow that will cause the turbo to roll or slow down and keeps the turbo pressure under control. (I may know it wrong. If I know it wrong, please have more knowledgeable friends correct it. Smile )

If we finally return to the problem of the friend, this is the solenoid that he is talking about. (I had the same problem, I know from there, too.) If the master is a good master, he first replaces this solenoid valve when he sees the turbo pressure error in pp2000 - this is the part that regulates the turbo pressure. I hope the problem is the solenoid valve or the simpler hoses. Unfortunately, there is a bad scenario left.
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As the name suggests, the electrically controlled valve is called an electrovan. EGR or turbo is not a fixture part and they are used in both. Even gas cutters used in the LPG system are some kind of valve.

The gas from the EGR does not go to the fresh air inlet of the turbo in any way. Regardless of the exhaust manifold, it exits the cylinder head and passes through egr and fills into the intake manifold. Since the suction side of the turbo is made of light metal, this is not considered anyway.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 9
burglar08
Guys, we solved the problem yesterday. We found a common solution by disconnecting the turbo with an antipollution fault error and connecting it to the machine in different places by the failure of not consuming more than 3000dd gas. The turbo was detecting high pressure. As a matter of fact, we found that the part that caused it was the turbo solenoid valve. I will not stretch it too much. We got the part on Wednesday, and the problem disappeared. Meanwhile the Track is there behind the engine, egr. The master took care of the vehicle by lifting it from the fiber and working from below. How happy I can help those who have this problem.
08.05.2020 19:11 # 10
eeccaa


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I am glad you solved it, get well soon. So is the changing piece the # 1 in the first picture or another?

It is not very important, but I wanted to touch on the location. Do not be taken on you @ burglar08 :) The phrase "disabling the turbo" is wrong for me. It should be an expression that is probably used because the performance of the car decreases like it does not have a turbo. Although the engines require an electronic system, I do not think there is a mechanism to shut down the turbo with everything. This would be both costly and unnecessary. Because I do not think that an engine with all settings made to work with turbo can walk without a turbo. Not in terms of power, but in terms of ability to hold the air-fuel mixture, injection pressure etc. In all engines with gasoline, diesel, turbo and turbo without electronic operating system, the system switches the engine to "service mode" in order to prevent the failure of the system to grow and to go to the nearest service. It does this by lowering the upper limit of fuel pressure and engine speed. The turbo cannot shut down, but the turbocharger that can be fed under low pressure can only produce low power. The 110 hp car is going with maybe 60 hp. Thus, the driver cannot force the problematic engine, even if he wants it.
eecca to 2015-04-03 13:25:40
08.05.2020 19:11 # 11
burglar08
Yes the part shown in the diagram;)
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