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08.05.2020 20:00 # 1
kansu533
Hello friends, I request your help from people with knowledge, today a 2006 peugeot 407 HDI vehicle has a malfunction. While driving on a very steep slope, there was excessive traffic. You can think in the stop kak mode, but without doing the stop kak, I went up the slope by making the clutch throttle, that is, holding it between walking and stopping. There was smoke coming out of the vehicle and there was a burning smell, I pulled it to the right and opened the hood, there was nothing in sight, but there was a burning smell, and when I pressed the clutch, there was a nasty sound. The car is moving, there was no problem with the gear changes. I turned off the engine, waited 10 minutes and started it again. The sound coming from the pressure of the clutch is no longer coming, but the smell of burns still comes from time to time. I guess I think I burned the printing pad. There is also extreme hardness in the clutch, but hardness has been around for 1 year and is almost not related to this event. I did 120-130 to try the vehicle, I did not notice any difference in traction or engine with a speed increase or decrease. Only the smell of burns still occasionally comes. After this incident, I went on the road in Istanbul traffic for another 1.5 hours.
08.05.2020 20:00 # 2
xmen
Sir, using it like that probably would have peeled the press pad. So you have reduced your life a little. I can't say anything about hardness .. get well soon. xmen 2016-10-23 09:30:32
08.05.2020 20:00 # 3
madblueblacksea
In industry, this situation is said to have boiled the pressure pad .. Next time you are likely to stay on the road. It starts warming and kidnapping easier than before. You will have to grind or change the flywheel when the pressure is changing.
08.05.2020 20:00 # 4
monalos
I did the same now, my car is shaking on departures, the noise of the car is getting faster as I asked the master.
08.05.2020 20:00 # 5
madblueblacksea
It is very likely that it is from the humming ball. Oil flowed without overheating. It is useful to replace the press brake ball trio
08.05.2020 20:00 # 6
monalos
What else do I need to change when replacing the outer pad?

print pad
socket felt
transmission ball

Apart from these, can you write what should I buy?
08.05.2020 20:00 # 7
madblueblacksea
[QUOTE = monalos] What do I need to change when replacing the press pad;

print pad
socket felt
transmission ball

Apart from these, can you write what should I buy?
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There is no such thing as a gearbox ball. There is a press ball, there is a socket ball (I think you mean it)

Pressure - lining - thrust ball. These three usually change, but when it is removed, you check the felt, the flywheel, the ball in the middle of the flywheel, if there is something in the socket, you change.
08.05.2020 20:00 # 8
sonerkyl
[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] [QUOTE = monalos] What else do I need to change when replacing the press pad;

print pad
socket felt
transmission ball

Apart from these, can you write what should I buy?
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There is no such thing as a gearbox ball. There is a press ball, there is a socket ball (I think you mean it)

Pressure - lining - thrust ball. These three usually change, but when it is removed, you check the felt, the flywheel, the ball in the middle of the flywheel, if there is something in the socket, you change.
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08.05.2020 20:00 # 9
kansu533
[QUOTE = xmen] Sir, using it like that probably would have peeled the press pad. So you have reduced your life a little. I can't say anything for hardness .. get well. [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] It is said in industry that the pressure was boiled on the pad. The next time you are likely to be on the road. It starts warming and kidnapping easier than before. You will need to either grind or change the flywheel when the press is changing the pad [/ QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your interest, I had to get out of the city, I traveled around 600km, 80% of the city did not make any low speed, traction problem, gear shifts or sound-vibration during take-offs, thank God. I also tried about 150 speeds. As you said, I think I shortened the life of the printing pad, I think I will change it completely at the first opportunity. Also, is there any increase in performance after replacing the press brake pads?
08.05.2020 20:00 # 10
madblueblacksea
[QUOTE = kansu533] [QUOTE = xmen] Sir, your use of that way was probably scratching the pressure pad. So you have reduced your life a little. I can't say anything for hardness .. get well. [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] It is said in industry that the pressure was boiled on the pad. The next time you are likely to be on the road. It starts warming and kidnapping easier than before. You will need to either grind or change the flywheel when the press is changing the pad [/ QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your interest, I had to get out of the city, I traveled around 600km, 80% of the city did not make any low speed, traction problem, gear shifts or sound-vibration during take-offs, thank God. I also tried about 150 speeds. As you said, I think I shortened the life of the printing pad, I think I will change it completely at the first opportunity. Also, is there any increase in performance after replacing the press brake pads?
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I did not tell you to stay on the road for a certain kilometer. Even if the pressure does not run out of the pad, it is more likely to be missed during coercion and to become warmer than before.

The task of these parts is to transmit the movement in the engine to the gearbox (the flywheel has a few more tasks), so if there is no malfunction, the same performance will be zero. They are not parts that increase performance
08.05.2020 20:00 # 11
xmen
[QUOTE = kansu533] [QUOTE = xmen] Sir, your use of that way was probably scratching the pressure pad. So you have reduced your life a little. I can't say anything for hardness .. get well. [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] This situation is said to have boiled the press pad in the industry. The next time you are likely to stay on the road. It starts warming and kidnapping easier than before. You will need to either grind or change the flywheel when the press is changing the pad [/ QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your interest, I had to get out of the city, I traveled around 600km, 80% of them were out of town for any low speed, traction problem, gear shifts or noise on departures. The car did not tremble, thank God. I also tried about 150 speeds. As you said, I think I shortened the life of the printing pad, I think I will change it completely at the first opportunity. Also, is there any increase in performance after replacing the press brake pads?
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I can't say for sure, but the clutch is like cotton. :)
08.05.2020 20:00 # 12
kansu533
[QUOTE = xmen] [QUOTE = kansu533] [QUOTE = xmen] Sir, your use of the print was probably scratched. So you have reduced your life a little. I can't say anything for hardness .. get well. [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = madblueblacksea] This situation is said to have boiled the press pad in the industry. The next time you are likely to stay on the road. It starts warming and kidnapping easier than before. You will need to either grind or change the flywheel when the press is changing the pad [/ QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your interest, I had to get out of the city, I traveled around 600km, 80% of them were out of town for any low speed, traction problem, gear shifts or noise on departures. The car did not tremble, thank God. I also tried about 150 speeds. As you said, I think I shortened the life of the printing pad, I think I will change it completely at the first opportunity. Also, is there any increase in performance after replacing the press brake pads?
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I can't say for sure, but the clutch is like cotton. :) [/ Quote]


Thank you very much for your attention, I showed the master that the tool clutch set and clutch ball will change, he said when we open the flywheel. If the volant does not change, he says it will be 1000 TL. I searched from the net as if the price seemed expensive, how about you?
08.05.2020 20:00 # 13
sonerkyl
Exactly, the master is flying, my teacher is downloading the engine. Even my father recently changed the pressure of the focus tool and a few faults were fixed, giving a total of 600 TL. flywheel clutch set original work between 800-900 TL, let's get 400 TL max 1300 TL, including flywheel.

http://www.peugeotmarket.com/407,la_834-2.html#labels=837-2
08.05.2020 20:00 # 14
xmen
My teacher gave me the price of 1100-1200 lira special service with volant. xmen 2016-10-25 12:55:45
08.05.2020 20:00 # 15
kansu533
[QUOTE = xmen] My teacher has given me a special service for 1100-1200 lira with volant, I think your master has said too much .. of course this was 1-1.5 years ago [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = sonerkyl] just like the master is flying, my teacher is downloading the engine. Even my father recently changed the pressure of the focus tool and a few faults were fixed, giving a total of 600 TL. flywheel clutch set original work between 800-900 TL, let's take 400 TL max 1300 TL, including flywheel.

http://www.peugeotmarket.com/407,la_834-2.html#labels=837-2
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I can not take care of myself because of the job, I sent the vehicle with my father, I even talked about it, they wrote 200 TL of workmanship, they wrote 800 clutch set clutch ball chance oil. We have been in service for 2 years, we have 3-4 vehicles, we have done all their maintenance to them, so I do not expect any intention, but as you say, it looks very expensive when you look at the prices. Normally timing, turbo, battery rubber etc. Until this time, they brought cheaper prices than net on all transactions. I'm a little confused Confused
08.05.2020 20:00 # 16
sonerkyl
[QUOTE = kansu533] [QUOTE = xmen] I think my specialist had given me a price of 1100-1200 lira with my volant volant.

[QUOTE = sonerkyl] just like the master is flying, my teacher is downloading the engine. Even my father recently changed the pressure of the focus tool and a few faults were fixed, giving a total of 600 TL. flywheel clutch set original work between 800-900 TL, let's take 400 TL max 1300 TL, including flywheel.

http://www.peugeotmarket.com/407,la_834-2.html#labels=837-2
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I can not take care of myself because of the job, I sent the vehicle with my father, I even talked about it, they wrote 200 TL of workmanship, they wrote 800 clutch set clutch ball chance oil. We have been in service for 2 years, we have 3-4 vehicles, we have done all their maintenance to them, so I do not expect any intention, but as you say, it looks very expensive when you look at the prices. Normally timing, turbo, battery rubber etc. Until this time, they brought cheaper prices than net on all transactions. I'm a little confused Confused
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I think that they were flying up to the material teacher, I think, keep the shaman oil 100 tl print + ball 300 tl workmanship 200 even though they said max. I think it will be 600-650 TL and I will buy the materials and you can assemble it for years, but I think it should not be thrown in a human friendly post.
08.05.2020 20:00 # 17
kansu533
[QUOTE = sonerkyl] [QUOTE = kansu533] [QUOTE = xmen] My teacher had given me a special service of 1100-1200 lira with the volant, I think a lot of masters said ... this was 1-1.5 years ago [/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE = sonerkyl] just like the master is flying, my teacher is downloading the engine. Even my father recently changed the pressure of the focus tool and a few faults were fixed, giving a total of 600 TL. flywheel clutch set original work between 800-900 TL, let's take 400 TL max 1300 TL, including flywheel.

http://www.peugeotmarket.com/407,la_834-2.html#labels=837-2
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I can not take care of myself because of the job, I sent the vehicle with my father, I even talked about it, they wrote 200 TL of workmanship, they wrote 800 clutch set clutch ball chance oil. We have been in service for 2 years, we have 3-4 vehicles, we have done all their maintenance to them, so I do not expect any intention, but as you say, it looks very expensive when you look at the prices. Normally timing, turbo, battery rubber etc. Until this time, they brought cheaper prices than net on all transactions. I'm a little confused Confused
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I think that they were flying up to the material teacher, I think, keep the shaman oil 100 tl print + ball 300 tl workmanship 200 even though they said max. I think it will be 600-650 TL and I will buy the materials and you can assemble it for years, but I think it should not be thrown in a human friendly post.
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I reached the authorized service of Afyon from Peugeot customer service, there is no authorized service in Uşak. I told Afyon service, they gave the price 1300 TL. I also said parts to change, clutch set, axle seal, guide, transmission oil. Mine said 1000 TL. Authorized service is always expensive, of course. I have been going to the service for a long time, we have different tools, I do not expect much intention because I am already in love, but it is expensive according to the prices, I could not trust the originality of the parts as well. Tomorrow openers tool, if the flywheel is coming, I buy it and change it without any workmanship. I have done 7-8 billion repairs and maintenance for different vehicles, but so much from the same service.
kansu533 2016-10-25 15:22:13
08.05.2020 20:00 # 18
madblueblacksea
If you want to research the parts prices. There is a price of 2.0HDİ 480 lira, 50 lira oil and 600 lira hair. 1.6HDI is already 300 TL clutch set is original. Take the pieces and write 200 TL to workmanship
08.05.2020 20:00 # 19
Peugeot35
Teacher, be careful about the prices on the market, they have doubled the prices! If you try to get it from the net, it will be very convenient for you.

For example, I changed the last thermostat due to water leakage. I bought it from the market, 180 TL, I came home, the same piece is 100 TL, so I know my nerves are tensed, but I have reached the degree to remove the piece and give it back.
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